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- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 04:30:12 PDT
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- Info-Hams Digest Wed, 26 Oct 94 Volume 94 : Issue 1159
-
- Today's Topics:
- Callsign/address databases-privacy issue
- Interest in KaGold mailing List?
- NoCal OO goes after Packet BULLetins
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- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:45:34 GMT
- From: n6mmm@n6mmm-mac.ccmail.com (Gary Lau)
- Subject: Callsign/address databases-privacy issue
-
- In article <1994Oct23.095342.477@sfpp.com>
- longo@sfpp.com (Bob Longo) writes:
-
- > To help the government with their failure in this
- > area, I recommend that you get one of those private PO boxes (where mail can be
- > delivered to a street address) and use that address on your vehicle
- > registration and drivers license.
-
- Even that isn't always fool proof. In California, although you can use
- a PO Box for your mailing address, you still need to provide your
- residence address as well to the DMV.
-
- And-- if you have one of those commercial PO Boxes that resemble a
- street address and used that as a residential address, the CA DMV
- eventually finds out your actual residence address (I know-- I'm
- figuring the DMV got my true residential address from my insurance
- company or the area public utilities. Eventhough they mailed the bills
- and other misc. info to the mailing address, what a surprise last year
- during vehicle registration renewal that my residential address
- appeared on the new registration slip...)
-
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-
- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 19:51:02 MST
- From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
- Subject: Interest in KaGold mailing List?
-
- I am interested in starting a Kagold mailing list to exchange hints,
- files etc.
-
- I can maintain the mailing list on my site, but before I do so, I would
- like to see if there is an interest.
-
- David WB7TPY
-
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- Editor, HICNet Medical Newsletter
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- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:56:52 GMT
- From: gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman)
- Subject: NoCal OO goes after Packet BULLetins
-
- In article <1994Oct24.205835.11821@news.csuohio.edu> sww@csuohio.edu (Steve Wolf) writes:
- >
- >The point is being missed. Are packet bulletins addressed to either
- >"all" or a like form of "all" (MUSIC, SEWING, CRAFTS, NAFTA, etc.)
- >indeed informational bulletins?
- >
- >Is there a difference between:
- >
- >1. My tuning in a W1AW transmission and listening to an ARRL bulletin.
- >2. My tuning in a packet BBS station and reading an ARRL bulletin.
- >
- >I submit that both forms of the bulletin are the same. I end up with
- >identical information. In both cases, the bulletin is an
- >"informational bulletin". In both cases, the transmission is
- >one-way. There is not an exchange between two stations. The form
- >that the data takes is irrelevant. The mode upon which the data is
- >transferred is again irrelevant.
-
- I disagree. You have to do more than "tune in" to a packet BBS. You
- have to establish a two way connection and *request* the information.
- It's third party traffic pure and simple. Two amateur stations are
- participating in information exchange.
-
- >Then, what is the difference between:
- >
- >1. My tuning in a packet BBS and reading an ARRL bulletin.
- >2. My tuning in a packet BBS and reading a bulletin about cooking.
- >
- >I again submit that both forms of bulletin are identical. Even a
- >request (buried in the recipe) from a cook for more cooks to respond
- >is nothing but a "CQ" and, again, a one-way flow of information.
-
- Again, you do more than "tune in", you must *request* the
- information. Unlike broadcast, you are an active participant
- in the process. A CQ is not a true one way transmission. It
- is an intergal part of establishing a two way exchange of
- information. It's a solicitation for a response.
-
- >If there is no difference, could W1AW begin harassing Clinton about
- >his viewpoints on foreign trade (in their bulletins)? Could they
- >discuss cooking or sewing? We must agree that the rules would
- >prohibit such bulletins.
-
- Yes, because they are true broadcasts. Anyone passively listening
- gets them. Packet bulletins are fundamentally different in that
- active participation is required.
-
- >Because we use error correction causing a "connect" to be required does
- >not change the fact that a packet radio bulletin is a one way transmission.
- >It is not addressed to a ham. It is addressed to the ham community,
- >to the general public, just like the W1AW bulletins. The changing of
- >the definition of a "bulletin" due to the medium upon which it is
- >transferred is not proper.
-
- If you take this line, then you must squelch all roundtable and net
- operations. Just like the packet bulletin, each station makes statements
- to the participants and awaits responses from whomever is interested
- in the topic. Packet bulletins are no different except that they are
- not conducted in realtime. They are simply the packet version of the
- roundtable or net. If the topic of disscussion is allowable on a net
- or roundtable, it's also appropriate for packet bulletins.
-
- Bulletin is misleading terminology in this respect. The destination
- address header should instead be considered as a special interest
- group address, or as we call it here in netnews, a newsgroup. In
- other amateur use, we'd call it a net or roundtable. The key is that
- people have to "check in" to participate, on packet or on a voice
- net. It's not primarily a passive activity like listening to W1AW.
- With W1AW all you *can* do is listen, because they don't monitor
- the frequencies on which they broadcast.
-
- Gary
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